09-30-2017, 10:08 AM
As a minor staff member and a bystander in this conversation I think it necessary to point out a few key points:
1) the individuals who were banned were done so legitimately as evidence shows (even to most novices) that they were indeed x-raying.
2) The individuals who were banned appear to have not cared enough about their ban to warrant putting effort into the appeal process by plagiarizing either each other or third party (depending on whom you believe). The staff member who banned them noticed the plagiarizing and called them out on it, as well they should, requiring a new appeal.
3) Infernoclaw, who was not part of the ban and has little to no vested interest in said ban decided to send a private mail to Grimm (which was, in my opinion the proper way to handle this), voicing his opinion, possibly knowing full well that the results of such an action would be this very thread.
My thoughts on the matter:
Grimms actions concerning those who were banned were well within the rights and responsibilities of staff. The ban appeal process is there so that those players who get banned but are willing to show remorse and willing to change their actions and behavior can be let back into the server. I don't believe that staff, as a rule, wants to see players banned. We all want to give people the chance to come back. However, if the banned player is not going to make an honest effector in their ban appeal, it indicates to the staff that either a) they don't care enough to truly want to come back or b)despite knowing their actions were wrong they have no intention of altering them.
Infernoclaw, who had little to no vested interest in the ban as it was not they who was banned made a choice to voice to Grimm his displeasure in how it was handled. I wanna start by saying the way Infernoclaw choice to do this (private mail) was, in my opinion, the proper way. He did not call Grimm out in public (that I know of) and tried to keep it internal. However that fact that he chose to send the mail in the first place is an issue as he had no real business doing so. By choosing to "butt in" on someone else's ban appeal he has in fact violated rule 2: don't be annoying.
That is not to say that Grimm is without some blame. By posting those private mails here and allowing this thread to spin as it has one could argue that Grimm has violated rule 1: be respectful.
In closing, I personally think this thread should not continue and should be closed. To Infernoclaw I would say, stay out of things that don't involve you. To Grimm, private mail and msg should stay private. Yes Admins have social spy so anything said is seen by any Admin using it, however I don't feel you should have posted them here. And my final thought for all is that this should have never been a thread on the forums. It was a private dispute between Grimm and Ifernoclaw and should have been handled by the two of them in a DC channel privately.
1) the individuals who were banned were done so legitimately as evidence shows (even to most novices) that they were indeed x-raying.
2) The individuals who were banned appear to have not cared enough about their ban to warrant putting effort into the appeal process by plagiarizing either each other or third party (depending on whom you believe). The staff member who banned them noticed the plagiarizing and called them out on it, as well they should, requiring a new appeal.
3) Infernoclaw, who was not part of the ban and has little to no vested interest in said ban decided to send a private mail to Grimm (which was, in my opinion the proper way to handle this), voicing his opinion, possibly knowing full well that the results of such an action would be this very thread.
My thoughts on the matter:
Grimms actions concerning those who were banned were well within the rights and responsibilities of staff. The ban appeal process is there so that those players who get banned but are willing to show remorse and willing to change their actions and behavior can be let back into the server. I don't believe that staff, as a rule, wants to see players banned. We all want to give people the chance to come back. However, if the banned player is not going to make an honest effector in their ban appeal, it indicates to the staff that either a) they don't care enough to truly want to come back or b)despite knowing their actions were wrong they have no intention of altering them.
Infernoclaw, who had little to no vested interest in the ban as it was not they who was banned made a choice to voice to Grimm his displeasure in how it was handled. I wanna start by saying the way Infernoclaw choice to do this (private mail) was, in my opinion, the proper way. He did not call Grimm out in public (that I know of) and tried to keep it internal. However that fact that he chose to send the mail in the first place is an issue as he had no real business doing so. By choosing to "butt in" on someone else's ban appeal he has in fact violated rule 2: don't be annoying.
That is not to say that Grimm is without some blame. By posting those private mails here and allowing this thread to spin as it has one could argue that Grimm has violated rule 1: be respectful.
In closing, I personally think this thread should not continue and should be closed. To Infernoclaw I would say, stay out of things that don't involve you. To Grimm, private mail and msg should stay private. Yes Admins have social spy so anything said is seen by any Admin using it, however I don't feel you should have posted them here. And my final thought for all is that this should have never been a thread on the forums. It was a private dispute between Grimm and Ifernoclaw and should have been handled by the two of them in a DC channel privately.
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