03-30-2018, 07:43 AM
Sorry but this is going to be long.
Let me start with acknowledging some things I did wrong. At the time of the incident I was not aware of a staff fuction called soft mute that would have kept the conversation between the involved parties and not in an open forum. This would have prevented much of the input from the other players. Concerning the other players, I should have informed them to butt out of the conversation, however I was too involved in our conversation to pay attention to what they were saying. That is on me and I apologize.
Why you were jailed:
On more than one occasion during your interactions with staff that day you had made disparaging, disrespectful, remarks concerning staff or intimated that you knew better than staff what was or was not a staff issue. Below are some examples of this, along with the relevant conversations. Note that the first few lines (from Hiyoko's chat logs) I have adjusted the time stamp to account for the difference in time zone.
[16:00:05] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> also why cant i msg you?
[16:00:11] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> magik
[16:00:21] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> you shouldnt do that when your mod
[17:18:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] hello, im trying to get Hiyoko to answer me, are they afk?
[17:22:26] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i dont know what is going on
[17:22:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] I came into it mid conversation so not sure
[17:24:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i think there getting revenge for me saying that they should make it so that people can msg him
[17:25:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i need one building moved
[17:25:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its the same problem deal thing as yesterday
[17:25:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] the same complicated mess
[17:25:51] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] but once it is moved once more it will be over with
[17:27:06] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] normaly w/e isn't used for random moves, also that is an admin thing.
[17:27:29] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its more complicated than that
[17:27:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] Hiyoko refuses and answer
[17:27:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] or let me explain the problem
[17:28:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] mabye ill just wait until rayz gets back on sometime
At this point is where this should have ended. Since you had dealt with Rayz on the matter. You should have just ended it here and mail send Rayz about the house. However it continues.
[17:28:10] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] well, as neither of us can do anything for you, you might need to talk to an admin
[17:28:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] hiy was acting like he could fix it
[17:28:49] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> i told you already
[17:29:04] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> that builds in towns are not supposed to world edit moved
[17:29:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> your not letting me msg
[17:29:21] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> and its more complicated than that
[17:29:44] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> i sat above you for more than 20 minutes
[17:29:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> for 5 min.
[17:29:52] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> waiting for yer explanation
For the record: I logged back in at 17:18 and Hiyoko was already over you. At this point in the conversation it is 17:29 so you statement about 5 minutes is, at best, an under estimate, at worst, a blatant falsehood.
[17:30:10] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> your just getting revenge and you know it
[17:30:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] irrelivent JoesMine231. you need to talk to an admin not harras Hiyoko
[17:30:29] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> your attitude isn't appreciated
[17:30:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] they are trying to troll me by acting like they can do help and then not doing it
[17:31:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] how did such a great server get them onboard their staff i dont understand how this happens
[17:31:15] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> oi
[17:31:17] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] ohwell.
This is what I meant by disrespecting Hiyoko. You were mad that they were not able to help you and started lashing out like a petulant child when they don't get their way. As a mod, Hiyoko did not have access to world edit and you were told this. You were also told to take it up with an Admin and instead decided to slander Hiyoko. While you might not think this constitutes disrespect I certainly do and by Hiyoko's reaction above, so do they. Hiyoko, feel free to weigh in on this. And still it continued. . .
[17:31:37] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] no you are not being trolled. As mod's we have a duty to look into the situation and bump it up the chain if needed.
[17:32:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] they were not answering me
[17:32:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] so stop msging lol
[17:32:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] and they acted like they could move it, then you say they cant
[17:32:39] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] Hiyoko already said they ere doing something
[17:32:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] also i dont think mods are supposed to turn off their msg and force you to talk in regular chat
[17:32:59] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i told him it was private, but he kept forcing it into open chat
[17:33:43] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] at this point JoesMine231, you are getting a bit whinny so I am going to ask you to end the conversation untill you can talk to an admin about it
To be fair, I probably should not have called you whinny here and I apologize for that. It was not professional. Unfortunately your attack on Hiyoko's character raised my dander as you can see below.
[17:34:07] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] ok but thats not doing your job
[17:34:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] it's not by job to mollycoddle you becuase your feelings got hurt
[17:34:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] your not looking into any situation
[17:35:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] BS we looked into it and told you to talk to an admin now drop it
[17:36:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its about hieks {Hiyoko's} way of getting revenge, not about moving an unimportant building
[17:36:42] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] revenge for what?
[17:37:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] revenge for me wasting his time by accident and telling him how to do his job.
[17:38:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] the building is not a problem. if it cant be done, it cant be done.
[17:38:40] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its the way he goes about it
[17:39:00] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] he, she i dont know whatever
[17:39:12] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] I fail to see where the revenge comes in
[17:39:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] nevermind
[17:39:37] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] you said you couldnt help with anything like that
[17:41:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] nope. you need an admin for w/e and as for you telling staff how to do their job, that's not realy your place.
[17:44:24] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> first of all, world editted is only supposed to be used for official events, or for relocating builds that are within 100 blocks of another person who complained
[17:44:39] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> secondly, i didn't say i would relocate your build, i asked where it was and why it was moved
[17:45:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> thirdly, it was much more than 5 minutes,
[17:45:43] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] there they go again announcing it to the public chat, great
[17:45:54] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i told them not to over and over
[17:46:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> and you seem become erractic when things don't go your way
[17:47:22] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> and lastly, as staff, first and foremost, we are players and it is not our jobs to attend to your needs and desires
The final straw came a little while later when you were having a conversation with Kitty about moving you house to her town and putting in a basement. I had been watching the conversation for a while and when it became clear that there was an issue I stepped in to mediate.
[18:21:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] if he won't follow the rules of your town, you are within your rights to kick him out of it.
[18:21:53] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> you took away my acess to my own chests
[18:21:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> NO access
[18:22:06] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[VIP2] kitty -> me] i have tried! he wont leave!
[18:22:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] EasterRed >> JoesMine231 why not just leave
[18:22:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] you have actually told him to leave the town?
[18:22:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[VIP2] kitty -> me] yes in a private msg many times. i said if he doesnt like it he can leave
[18:23:04] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] kk
[18:23:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] Kitty has the right to set rules in her town. If you can't follow them you need to leave.
[18:23:54] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> i cant msg
***This was because I was invisible above you the whole time.
[18:24:02] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are no longer invisible!
[18:24:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> try again
[18:24:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> msg who
[18:24:12] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] the problem is
[18:24:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i bought a house
[18:24:26] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] and i wasnt told i couldnt even claim my own house
[18:24:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] until after the fact
[18:24:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] did he pay money for a house?
[18:24:44] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i was told i could add a basement, now they say i cant after the fact they said i could
[18:24:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[VIP2] kitty -> me] yes and i offered to give it back
[18:25:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] and all i ask of them, is reasoning behind the rules they make
[18:25:15] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] also this isnt a mods ordeal
[18:25:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] it is if you are trespassing cuz you were asked to leave
[18:25:55] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i cant be tresspassing in my own house i bought
[18:26:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] also, were working it out, why are you being nosy
[18:26:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Player JoesMine231 jailed for 15 minutes.
[18:28:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> no you were jailed for trying to decide for yourself what is and is not staff buisness
Now, concerning the house at kitty's town, her town rules, the breaking of said rules and me calling you a lier, there is a lot to sift through there. Before I intervened I had watched the conversation between you and kitty, in passing. Upon reviewing my logs I am able to see in more detail what was happening.
[17:46:07] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] where can i put my build?
[17:46:42] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] idk, how big is it? i still havent fully decided. plus if u have ur own warp, why cant u put it there?
[17:48:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] like 4 of your houses combined
[17:49:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] oh ya sorry i think i dont really want that in my town just bc i have plans for my town... sorry
[17:50:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] what if its underground in my house
[17:50:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] idk i cant have anything exceed the outline of the house. but idk
[17:50:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] why not
[17:51:13] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] bc of other houses
[17:51:24] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] oh they have basements to?
[17:51:42] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] if i built one
[17:52:03] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] the least you can do is let me add a basement for all that help i gave
[17:52:39] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] ill add a basement rn
[17:52:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] no i mean i add the basement
[17:53:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] im gonna add the outline so i know u dont exceed the boundary i want.
this dispute would continue for a while but there is some relevant points to be made. The first being that at no time did she give you permission to put in a basement. The closes to such a suggestion was this
[17:54:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] bc its my town and what if other houses want one? im sorry it has to be the house boundary
[17:54:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] also it can go as deep as you need
[17:54:49] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] if your worried about that i can put it deep down
[17:55:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] look im sorry i built this town, either make this build somewhere else or follow my boundarys
[17:55:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] not trying to be mean
[17:55:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] there isnt any logic in this, there is 63 blocks below sea level
[17:55:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] i can make the basement at berock if need be
[17:56:18] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] ok, but why were u complaining about expanding?
Now I might see where you would think her use of the phrase "ok" was giving you permission but if you read the context of the conversation you can see that it was simply an expression of her trying to understand why you did not understand that she did not want you building a large underground area. She even tried to compromise with you.
[17:58:18] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] well i still dont want u exceeding the boundaries, if u want, i will build however many layers down u need.
Despite what seems to me to be a clear statement from Kitty that this is her town and she does not want you to build the basement, that she will do it, you later started digging to put in the basement, after arguing with her about claiming the house in her town. To your defense, Kitty should have noted in her town rules, before you purchased the place, that claims were not allowed. However, your statement in your appeal that you "forgot that the town owner has instructed me to not customize it until they had dug out the basement themselves" also seems false given the relevant logs below
[18:13:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i told u, no building
[18:13:52] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> what
[18:13:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] you said i could make a basement
[18:14:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> i told u, u didnt listen
[18:14:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i said i would
[18:14:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] you said if i went to bedrock i could do it myself
[18:14:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i never said
[18:14:33] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] that
[18:14:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] yes... you did
[18:14:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i told u i would build it
[18:15:07] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] pls why cant u follow my rules
Again, it's possible you mistaken her use of the phrase "ok", for permission, but she still had instructed you that SHE would build it. Thus, by beginning construction yourself you violated two of Kitty's town rules, which I do have a screen shot of if Star wants to see.
Rule #2: do NOT start building wherever you want. Rule #3: please do NOT break anything in the house u buy
The conversation between you two would continue until I got involved and you were eventually jailed.
Now in your appeal you claim you did not break server rules. I would contest that you argued with staff, disrespected staff (as noted above) and this along with a long winded conversation while you were in jail lead to you violating rule #1: Be respectful to others at all times. and Rule #2: Do not be annoying.
In your appeal you claim "He had no basis for calling me a liar and would not give me a single example of how I broke either the town rules or the server rules. "
As far as calling you a liar, I have given Star a copy of the relevant logs where it can be clearly seen that you claimed Kitty gave you permission to dig when she did not. You claimed you were not given examples of rule breaking. Well:
[18:28:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> name a rule i broke
[18:29:21] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> how about disrespect?
[18:29:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] ---- Rules -- Page 1/2 ----
[18:29:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] 1: Be respectful to other players and staff. This includes racism, sexism, and backtalk.
[18:29:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> i have not been in any way disrespectful
[18:30:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> enforce rule #1
[18:30:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> no backtalk
[18:31:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> what name or rude thing have i said
[18:31:51] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> can i not know what i have been accused of?
[18:32:02] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> which time? when you dist me for talking to you or dist hioko for not doing what you wanted?
[18:32:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> please give me the specifics
[18:32:55] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> rule 1: be respectful
[18:33:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> how did i break that rule?
[18:34:40] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> by telling me and hioko what are jobs are
[18:47:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> in what way did i break the rule
[18:47:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> you never listened to me, you kept doing things i didnt want u to do
[18:47:54] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> part of staff's duties is to mediate disputes. It became my business when it was clear you were not agreeing to the town owners rules
[18:48:00] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> i did not
[18:48:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> break any town rules
[18:50:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> rule #2: do NOT start building wherever u want to. i said dont build yet u still did
Now this post is already running long so let me sum up that you asked what rules you broke several more times and was answered several more times.
Despite all this, I had not originally inteded to ban you. I would have been happy to let you go about your buisness if you had simply agreed to my offer.
[19:01:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> here is what we are going to do JoesMine231. Kitty will pay you back the money for the house and you will vacate the town.
However, you could not even commit to that and the dispute, which by this point had become a full argument, continued for another 7 minutes before I had finally had enough and issued the ban.
So to quote you in conclusion
[18:43:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> but facts, are facts
You disrespected staff, argued when you didn't get your way, attempted for force your way with others when you didn't like their answers, and refused to event attempt to see why what you were doing was wrong. I am going to defer whether you get unbanned or not to Star. My personal feelings on this are mixed. If the above is the kind of interaction staff and players can expect from you, I don't feel there is a place for you on the server. However, I don't like to see anyone perma-banned for something like this. I think everyone deserves a chance to learn from an experience.
I would ask, Star, that if you decide Joe deserves another chance, that you would require the condition that Kitty pays him back the $40 for the house in her town, he collects his personal belongings, and leaves the area. Kitty has requested he be banned from her town.
[19:05:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> no. you will be banned from my town. pls get ur things
Let me start with acknowledging some things I did wrong. At the time of the incident I was not aware of a staff fuction called soft mute that would have kept the conversation between the involved parties and not in an open forum. This would have prevented much of the input from the other players. Concerning the other players, I should have informed them to butt out of the conversation, however I was too involved in our conversation to pay attention to what they were saying. That is on me and I apologize.
Why you were jailed:
On more than one occasion during your interactions with staff that day you had made disparaging, disrespectful, remarks concerning staff or intimated that you knew better than staff what was or was not a staff issue. Below are some examples of this, along with the relevant conversations. Note that the first few lines (from Hiyoko's chat logs) I have adjusted the time stamp to account for the difference in time zone.
[16:00:05] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> also why cant i msg you?
[16:00:11] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> magik
[16:00:21] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> you shouldnt do that when your mod
[17:18:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] hello, im trying to get Hiyoko to answer me, are they afk?
[17:22:26] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i dont know what is going on
[17:22:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] I came into it mid conversation so not sure
[17:24:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i think there getting revenge for me saying that they should make it so that people can msg him
[17:25:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i need one building moved
[17:25:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its the same problem deal thing as yesterday
[17:25:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] the same complicated mess
[17:25:51] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] but once it is moved once more it will be over with
[17:27:06] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] normaly w/e isn't used for random moves, also that is an admin thing.
[17:27:29] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its more complicated than that
[17:27:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] Hiyoko refuses and answer
[17:27:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] or let me explain the problem
[17:28:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] mabye ill just wait until rayz gets back on sometime
At this point is where this should have ended. Since you had dealt with Rayz on the matter. You should have just ended it here and mail send Rayz about the house. However it continues.
[17:28:10] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] well, as neither of us can do anything for you, you might need to talk to an admin
[17:28:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] hiy was acting like he could fix it
[17:28:49] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> i told you already
[17:29:04] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> that builds in towns are not supposed to world edit moved
[17:29:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> your not letting me msg
[17:29:21] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> and its more complicated than that
[17:29:44] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> i sat above you for more than 20 minutes
[17:29:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> for 5 min.
[17:29:52] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> waiting for yer explanation
For the record: I logged back in at 17:18 and Hiyoko was already over you. At this point in the conversation it is 17:29 so you statement about 5 minutes is, at best, an under estimate, at worst, a blatant falsehood.
[17:30:10] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> your just getting revenge and you know it
[17:30:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] irrelivent JoesMine231. you need to talk to an admin not harras Hiyoko
[17:30:29] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> your attitude isn't appreciated
[17:30:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] they are trying to troll me by acting like they can do help and then not doing it
[17:31:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] how did such a great server get them onboard their staff i dont understand how this happens
[17:31:15] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> oi
[17:31:17] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] ohwell.
This is what I meant by disrespecting Hiyoko. You were mad that they were not able to help you and started lashing out like a petulant child when they don't get their way. As a mod, Hiyoko did not have access to world edit and you were told this. You were also told to take it up with an Admin and instead decided to slander Hiyoko. While you might not think this constitutes disrespect I certainly do and by Hiyoko's reaction above, so do they. Hiyoko, feel free to weigh in on this. And still it continued. . .
[17:31:37] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] no you are not being trolled. As mod's we have a duty to look into the situation and bump it up the chain if needed.
[17:32:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] they were not answering me
[17:32:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] so stop msging lol
[17:32:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] and they acted like they could move it, then you say they cant
[17:32:39] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] Hiyoko already said they ere doing something
[17:32:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] also i dont think mods are supposed to turn off their msg and force you to talk in regular chat
[17:32:59] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i told him it was private, but he kept forcing it into open chat
[17:33:43] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] at this point JoesMine231, you are getting a bit whinny so I am going to ask you to end the conversation untill you can talk to an admin about it
To be fair, I probably should not have called you whinny here and I apologize for that. It was not professional. Unfortunately your attack on Hiyoko's character raised my dander as you can see below.
[17:34:07] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] ok but thats not doing your job
[17:34:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] it's not by job to mollycoddle you becuase your feelings got hurt
[17:34:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] your not looking into any situation
[17:35:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] BS we looked into it and told you to talk to an admin now drop it
[17:36:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its about hieks {Hiyoko's} way of getting revenge, not about moving an unimportant building
[17:36:42] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] revenge for what?
[17:37:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] revenge for me wasting his time by accident and telling him how to do his job.
[17:38:28] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] the building is not a problem. if it cant be done, it cant be done.
[17:38:40] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] its the way he goes about it
[17:39:00] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] he, she i dont know whatever
[17:39:12] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] I fail to see where the revenge comes in
[17:39:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] nevermind
[17:39:37] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] you said you couldnt help with anything like that
[17:41:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] nope. you need an admin for w/e and as for you telling staff how to do their job, that's not realy your place.
[17:44:24] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> first of all, world editted is only supposed to be used for official events, or for relocating builds that are within 100 blocks of another person who complained
[17:44:39] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> secondly, i didn't say i would relocate your build, i asked where it was and why it was moved
[17:45:14] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> thirdly, it was much more than 5 minutes,
[17:45:43] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] there they go again announcing it to the public chat, great
[17:45:54] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i told them not to over and over
[17:46:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> and you seem become erractic when things don't go your way
[17:47:22] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> and lastly, as staff, first and foremost, we are players and it is not our jobs to attend to your needs and desires
The final straw came a little while later when you were having a conversation with Kitty about moving you house to her town and putting in a basement. I had been watching the conversation for a while and when it became clear that there was an issue I stepped in to mediate.
[18:21:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] if he won't follow the rules of your town, you are within your rights to kick him out of it.
[18:21:53] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> you took away my acess to my own chests
[18:21:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> NO access
[18:22:06] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[VIP2] kitty -> me] i have tried! he wont leave!
[18:22:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] EasterRed >> JoesMine231 why not just leave
[18:22:32] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] you have actually told him to leave the town?
[18:22:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[VIP2] kitty -> me] yes in a private msg many times. i said if he doesnt like it he can leave
[18:23:04] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] kk
[18:23:36] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] Kitty has the right to set rules in her town. If you can't follow them you need to leave.
[18:23:54] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> i cant msg
***This was because I was invisible above you the whole time.
[18:24:02] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] You are no longer invisible!
[18:24:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> try again
[18:24:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> msg who
[18:24:12] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] the problem is
[18:24:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i bought a house
[18:24:26] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] and i wasnt told i couldnt even claim my own house
[18:24:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] until after the fact
[18:24:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [VIP2] kitty] did he pay money for a house?
[18:24:44] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i was told i could add a basement, now they say i cant after the fact they said i could
[18:24:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[VIP2] kitty -> me] yes and i offered to give it back
[18:25:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] and all i ask of them, is reasoning behind the rules they make
[18:25:15] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] also this isnt a mods ordeal
[18:25:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [me -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] it is if you are trespassing cuz you were asked to leave
[18:25:55] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] i cant be tresspassing in my own house i bought
[18:26:16] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> me] also, were working it out, why are you being nosy
[18:26:46] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] Player JoesMine231 jailed for 15 minutes.
[18:28:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> no you were jailed for trying to decide for yourself what is and is not staff buisness
Now, concerning the house at kitty's town, her town rules, the breaking of said rules and me calling you a lier, there is a lot to sift through there. Before I intervened I had watched the conversation between you and kitty, in passing. Upon reviewing my logs I am able to see in more detail what was happening.
[17:46:07] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] where can i put my build?
[17:46:42] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] idk, how big is it? i still havent fully decided. plus if u have ur own warp, why cant u put it there?
[17:48:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] like 4 of your houses combined
[17:49:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] oh ya sorry i think i dont really want that in my town just bc i have plans for my town... sorry
[17:50:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] what if its underground in my house
[17:50:38] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] idk i cant have anything exceed the outline of the house. but idk
[17:50:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] why not
[17:51:13] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] bc of other houses
[17:51:24] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] oh they have basements to?
[17:51:42] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] if i built one
[17:52:03] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] the least you can do is let me add a basement for all that help i gave
[17:52:39] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] ill add a basement rn
[17:52:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] no i mean i add the basement
[17:53:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] im gonna add the outline so i know u dont exceed the boundary i want.
this dispute would continue for a while but there is some relevant points to be made. The first being that at no time did she give you permission to put in a basement. The closes to such a suggestion was this
[17:54:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] bc its my town and what if other houses want one? im sorry it has to be the house boundary
[17:54:19] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] also it can go as deep as you need
[17:54:49] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] if your worried about that i can put it deep down
[17:55:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] look im sorry i built this town, either make this build somewhere else or follow my boundarys
[17:55:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] not trying to be mean
[17:55:30] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] there isnt any logic in this, there is 63 blocks below sea level
[17:55:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] i can make the basement at berock if need be
[17:56:18] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] ok, but why were u complaining about expanding?
Now I might see where you would think her use of the phrase "ok" was giving you permission but if you read the context of the conversation you can see that it was simply an expression of her trying to understand why you did not understand that she did not want you building a large underground area. She even tried to compromise with you.
[17:58:18] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] well i still dont want u exceeding the boundaries, if u want, i will build however many layers down u need.
Despite what seems to me to be a clear statement from Kitty that this is her town and she does not want you to build the basement, that she will do it, you later started digging to put in the basement, after arguing with her about claiming the house in her town. To your defense, Kitty should have noted in her town rules, before you purchased the place, that claims were not allowed. However, your statement in your appeal that you "forgot that the town owner has instructed me to not customize it until they had dug out the basement themselves" also seems false given the relevant logs below
[18:13:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i told u, no building
[18:13:52] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> what
[18:13:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] you said i could make a basement
[18:14:01] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> i told u, u didnt listen
[18:14:11] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i said i would
[18:14:23] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] you said if i went to bedrock i could do it myself
[18:14:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i never said
[18:14:33] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] that
[18:14:41] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[Advanced] JoesMine231 -> [VIP2] kitty] yes... you did
[18:14:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] i told u i would build it
[18:15:07] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] pls why cant u follow my rules
Again, it's possible you mistaken her use of the phrase "ok", for permission, but she still had instructed you that SHE would build it. Thus, by beginning construction yourself you violated two of Kitty's town rules, which I do have a screen shot of if Star wants to see.
Rule #2: do NOT start building wherever you want. Rule #3: please do NOT break anything in the house u buy
The conversation between you two would continue until I got involved and you were eventually jailed.
Now in your appeal you claim you did not break server rules. I would contest that you argued with staff, disrespected staff (as noted above) and this along with a long winded conversation while you were in jail lead to you violating rule #1: Be respectful to others at all times. and Rule #2: Do not be annoying.
In your appeal you claim "He had no basis for calling me a liar and would not give me a single example of how I broke either the town rules or the server rules. "
As far as calling you a liar, I have given Star a copy of the relevant logs where it can be clearly seen that you claimed Kitty gave you permission to dig when she did not. You claimed you were not given examples of rule breaking. Well:
[18:28:20] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> name a rule i broke
[18:29:21] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> how about disrespect?
[18:29:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] ---- Rules -- Page 1/2 ----
[18:29:25] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] 1: Be respectful to other players and staff. This includes racism, sexism, and backtalk.
[18:29:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> i have not been in any way disrespectful
[18:30:57] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> enforce rule #1
[18:30:58] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] Hiyoko >> no backtalk
[18:31:34] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> what name or rude thing have i said
[18:31:51] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> can i not know what i have been accused of?
[18:32:02] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> which time? when you dist me for talking to you or dist hioko for not doing what you wanted?
[18:32:45] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> please give me the specifics
[18:32:55] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> rule 1: be respectful
[18:33:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> how did i break that rule?
[18:34:40] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> by telling me and hioko what are jobs are
[18:47:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> in what way did i break the rule
[18:47:50] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> you never listened to me, you kept doing things i didnt want u to do
[18:47:54] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> part of staff's duties is to mediate disputes. It became my business when it was clear you were not agreeing to the town owners rules
[18:48:00] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> i did not
[18:48:08] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> break any town rules
[18:50:09] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> rule #2: do NOT start building wherever u want to. i said dont build yet u still did
Now this post is already running long so let me sum up that you asked what rules you broke several more times and was answered several more times.
Despite all this, I had not originally inteded to ban you. I would have been happy to let you go about your buisness if you had simply agreed to my offer.
[19:01:05] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Mod] EasterGecko >> here is what we are going to do JoesMine231. Kitty will pay you back the money for the house and you will vacate the town.
However, you could not even commit to that and the dispute, which by this point had become a full argument, continued for another 7 minutes before I had finally had enough and issued the ban.
So to quote you in conclusion
[18:43:31] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [Advanced] JoesMine231 >> but facts, are facts
You disrespected staff, argued when you didn't get your way, attempted for force your way with others when you didn't like their answers, and refused to event attempt to see why what you were doing was wrong. I am going to defer whether you get unbanned or not to Star. My personal feelings on this are mixed. If the above is the kind of interaction staff and players can expect from you, I don't feel there is a place for you on the server. However, I don't like to see anyone perma-banned for something like this. I think everyone deserves a chance to learn from an experience.
I would ask, Star, that if you decide Joe deserves another chance, that you would require the condition that Kitty pays him back the $40 for the house in her town, he collects his personal belongings, and leaves the area. Kitty has requested he be banned from her town.
[19:05:56] [Client thread/INFO]: [CHAT] [VIP2] kitty >> no. you will be banned from my town. pls get ur things
Just enough of a Bastard to be worth liking.