04-01-2018, 05:39 AM
Before you get ready to type out some argumentative response to me, know that this is the last time I respond to your arguments and give you a chance to come back. This is it. The next response you'll get from me will either be me unbanning you and welcoming you back to the server, or denying your appeal and locking this thread, and keeping your ban in place. To get me to unban you, you will need to admit you were wrong. This isn't a point you can argue out of. You requested that another staff member step in and respond to the appeal, and I'm it, and this is the chance I'm giving you.
1. You may do so in a respectful manner. The way you talked about a staff member to another staff member wasn't just raising concern, but throwing insults at their image. A better way to raise concern in the future would be "Hey, I asked for help from x earlier, and they didn't respond to me in an appropriate manner, please talk to them about it." That's a far cry from "How did such a great server get them onboard their staff I don't understand how this happens." And yes, they concern this appeal because they were brought into this appeal. Don't tell me what does or does not concern why you were banned, especially when you're arguing our reasoning.
2. I see you asking Hiyoko to allow you to talk to them in private message, however, they are under no obligation to open their private messages to you. While it would have been more professional on their part, they are not required to do so. In fact, it usually helps them help you, as other staff members see what the issue is as well, whereas they may not if they don't use social spy had it been in private message. In the future if you have an issue with this, most admins and frost usually keep things to private message. If even this fails, we have a discord with private message options there, and even then, staff members put things into staff chat they deem necessary to be staff knowledge.
3. You kinda left yourself hanging there... but I do believe my pointing it out as disrespect stands. Our staff aren't here to troll. Honestly, yeah, I've seen them troll people (guilty as charged, I do it too sometimes), but those players themselves are usually malicious and only here to troll others themselves. I can assure you from reading all the logs, you were not being trolled, even though you may have felt that way.
4. You're saying "JUST SAY" to her. You're telling her to change her mind. If you want to say it's not bullying, fine, I'll let it go, but you're most certainly badgering her. You're pestering her over and over to get her to change her mind. The only difference in this case, in my opinion, between this and bullying, is that you're arguably not able to use force to change her opinion, only a torrent of requests.
5. You're still not seeing the issue. You admit you're pushing the issue, when it should have been dropped; she said no to you already. At this point, you're breaking rules 1 and 2, respect and annoyance, respectively. Your requests to her do not hold equal weight. This is her town, her rules are superior to what you believe you deserve. You being ignored doesn't mean she's in the wrong. You're providing all these alternatives, but she's still saying she doesn't want you to edit your house or the area under it. Even though you helped her with building doesn't entitle you to special treatment, and going forward I'd suggest not doing favours for people if you expect something in return; you'll lead a happier life.
6. Badgering.
7. At no point in reading the logs did I perceive Kitty's statements as giving you the go-ahead to build a basement. Had she reported you for grief, I would have banned you for grief. In that appeal if you had shown me these exact logs as your support of innocence, I would still stand by my ban for you. She said no to you too many times, she continued to be against it. And you're right, I can't interpret emotions through text, but I can interpret meaning through context, and I understood her saying no, do not build a basement. She even offered as a compromise to build one for you, not that you could build one at your pleasure.
8. You still went ahead and edited the house in the first place.
9. I asked Geckorian the exact reason of your jailing, to which he replied "No he was jailed because I got fed up with his disrespect and I didn't want him to do anything to her town while I talked to him." No, you did not follow her rules, as shown when she said:
[16:15:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] pls why cant u follow my rules
That shows me that no, her rules were not followed. You then argue, to her, the maker of those rules, that you are following her rules. She makes the rules there, because:
[16:16:39] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] bc its my god damn town
10. Thank you for apologizing for the communism comment. However, not being sorry for anything that transpired before this is a huge red flag.
11. She's telling you to follow her rules or leave. You're not following her rules. Therefore, you need to leave. When Geckorian asked her if she asked you to leave, she said "Yes, in a private message many times. I said if he doesn't like it he can leave". That's more than clear to me. Evidently, your interpretation was incorrect, because here we are.
12. She never gave you permission in the first place.
13. My note next to it was affirming Geckorian's decision in stepping in, there was no other comment made from me about it.
14. I didn't say it was rude, I was highlighting a point of conflict. I was pointing out your reasoning is incorrect. It's her town, and while you bought the house, she has the right to evict you from that house.
15. Thank you.
16. I remarked on this in my previous post... " I will admit, in the end the spectators should not have been as vocal as they were, and they will be spoken to. I've also talked with Geckorian on when to shut down commenters."
Please, do not respond to me with an argument. I don't like keeping people banned. The server community is one of a kind, but if you can't understand where you've made your mistakes to wind up in the ban appeals on our forums, the staff team doesn't see a future for you as a part of it.
1. You may do so in a respectful manner. The way you talked about a staff member to another staff member wasn't just raising concern, but throwing insults at their image. A better way to raise concern in the future would be "Hey, I asked for help from x earlier, and they didn't respond to me in an appropriate manner, please talk to them about it." That's a far cry from "How did such a great server get them onboard their staff I don't understand how this happens." And yes, they concern this appeal because they were brought into this appeal. Don't tell me what does or does not concern why you were banned, especially when you're arguing our reasoning.
2. I see you asking Hiyoko to allow you to talk to them in private message, however, they are under no obligation to open their private messages to you. While it would have been more professional on their part, they are not required to do so. In fact, it usually helps them help you, as other staff members see what the issue is as well, whereas they may not if they don't use social spy had it been in private message. In the future if you have an issue with this, most admins and frost usually keep things to private message. If even this fails, we have a discord with private message options there, and even then, staff members put things into staff chat they deem necessary to be staff knowledge.
3. You kinda left yourself hanging there... but I do believe my pointing it out as disrespect stands. Our staff aren't here to troll. Honestly, yeah, I've seen them troll people (guilty as charged, I do it too sometimes), but those players themselves are usually malicious and only here to troll others themselves. I can assure you from reading all the logs, you were not being trolled, even though you may have felt that way.
4. You're saying "JUST SAY" to her. You're telling her to change her mind. If you want to say it's not bullying, fine, I'll let it go, but you're most certainly badgering her. You're pestering her over and over to get her to change her mind. The only difference in this case, in my opinion, between this and bullying, is that you're arguably not able to use force to change her opinion, only a torrent of requests.
5. You're still not seeing the issue. You admit you're pushing the issue, when it should have been dropped; she said no to you already. At this point, you're breaking rules 1 and 2, respect and annoyance, respectively. Your requests to her do not hold equal weight. This is her town, her rules are superior to what you believe you deserve. You being ignored doesn't mean she's in the wrong. You're providing all these alternatives, but she's still saying she doesn't want you to edit your house or the area under it. Even though you helped her with building doesn't entitle you to special treatment, and going forward I'd suggest not doing favours for people if you expect something in return; you'll lead a happier life.
6. Badgering.
7. At no point in reading the logs did I perceive Kitty's statements as giving you the go-ahead to build a basement. Had she reported you for grief, I would have banned you for grief. In that appeal if you had shown me these exact logs as your support of innocence, I would still stand by my ban for you. She said no to you too many times, she continued to be against it. And you're right, I can't interpret emotions through text, but I can interpret meaning through context, and I understood her saying no, do not build a basement. She even offered as a compromise to build one for you, not that you could build one at your pleasure.
8. You still went ahead and edited the house in the first place.
9. I asked Geckorian the exact reason of your jailing, to which he replied "No he was jailed because I got fed up with his disrespect and I didn't want him to do anything to her town while I talked to him." No, you did not follow her rules, as shown when she said:
[16:15:01] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] pls why cant u follow my rules
That shows me that no, her rules were not followed. You then argue, to her, the maker of those rules, that you are following her rules. She makes the rules there, because:
[16:16:39] [main/INFO]: [CHAT] [SS] [[VIP2] kitty -> [Advanced] JoesMine231] bc its my god damn town
10. Thank you for apologizing for the communism comment. However, not being sorry for anything that transpired before this is a huge red flag.
11. She's telling you to follow her rules or leave. You're not following her rules. Therefore, you need to leave. When Geckorian asked her if she asked you to leave, she said "Yes, in a private message many times. I said if he doesn't like it he can leave". That's more than clear to me. Evidently, your interpretation was incorrect, because here we are.
12. She never gave you permission in the first place.
13. My note next to it was affirming Geckorian's decision in stepping in, there was no other comment made from me about it.
14. I didn't say it was rude, I was highlighting a point of conflict. I was pointing out your reasoning is incorrect. It's her town, and while you bought the house, she has the right to evict you from that house.
15. Thank you.
16. I remarked on this in my previous post... " I will admit, in the end the spectators should not have been as vocal as they were, and they will be spoken to. I've also talked with Geckorian on when to shut down commenters."
Please, do not respond to me with an argument. I don't like keeping people banned. The server community is one of a kind, but if you can't understand where you've made your mistakes to wind up in the ban appeals on our forums, the staff team doesn't see a future for you as a part of it.
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