10-23-2024, 06:25 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-24-2024, 09:44 AM by Nether_Ruler.
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wingedseraph Wrote:Server you were banned on (SMP/Discord): Both
Minecraft username: wingedseraph
Reason for your ban (exactly what it says when you try to log in!): name calling, using discord to circumvent /ignore and harass a player after being warned by staff to stop
Who banned you: staff
Why should you be unbanned (Why should we give you a second chance?): okay i got a lot to say so i am going to break this up into 3 different sections to address all things against me.
1. name calling-
jorah has not liked me for a long time, i do not know exactly why, but i have the screenshots from where it started. at first, he was mad at me for playing around with juan and dorito (he said that it was because they don't like each other) but they are both my friends so i don't know what their hatred for each other has to do with me. here is the screenshots
Screenshot 1
Screenshot 2
in this screenshot, you can see that i thought me and jorah were joking around and i realized that maybe he was not joking around and there were actually hard feelings, so i took the time to apologize and see if he was okay, and if there was bad blood. in return, i was called a twat and was told to leave him alone (which i did!). he ignored me and i did not really care. i did not think he actually hated me, i just thought he was irritable, because i have seen him say rude things to people on the server before and i just left it alone. a while later this screenshot was used against me: screenshot 3
i was told to stop harassing him (which is wack because i work a job and do not have the time to be that invested). and the harassment in question was me seeing his name and saying a joke which i literally just put his name into the song that jewish people sing at hanukkah (love my jewish peeps, amazing song btw). it was 3:56 in the morning and i was high (not an excuse, but an explanation) and tbh i kinda forgot he had me ignored. afterwards i was warned and i took the warning in stride and stopped bothering him. then came this horrid screenshot: screenshot 4 which, at the time, when looked at from an isolated event perspective, to everyone in the chat it did look like i was making it about me. NOT A GOOD LOOK. but by then he had said so many things to me that i kind of jumped the gun and assumed it was about me because by then i knew he did not like me and would say little things to me in chat to make me mad. so i had reasonable rights to assume it was about me because i didn't think he would say it to a person who had just joined like 30 mins ago vs. someone he actually DESPISES (alledgedly). a few minutes later came this screenshot: screenshot 5 which after talking to mel, i did not see the perspective that maybe he was saying that to correct new people on the server and let them know it wasn't okay. but i think that is a little bit of a stretch because "10/10 would recommend" is a well known meme format and i said afterwards i was joking. and it is worth mentioning to know that other people corrected me too, so he did not even really have to say anything. it 100% was directed to me though, which angered me because the time i said something to him, i got a warning, and for someone who is always saying i harass him and stalk him, to openly say something to me was befuddling. so that queued the argument and we did name call, which we both are wrong for. i meant what i said. i admit that maybe i should have been the bigger person, but in this situation it was days of build up and anger towards each other and we both got it out. i do think there could have been better options, but he had already told people that i was some harasser and ruined what was left of the reputation i had so i figured fuck it we ball. (not a good idea) me and mel also had a conversation about the connotation and denotation of the word cunt, and it is worth mentioning that i said it because where i am from twat is the equivalent of cunt. (so i was trying to even the playing field basically)
2. using discord to circumvent /ignore -
in the one menorah screenshot, i will admit that that is what i did. but to my knowledge after i was warned i cannot remember a time that we had a conversation through discord that i started. i took the warning like a boss, cracked a joke and moved on. from my memory, every other event that has happened through the discord has been because of jorah saying things to me (or me interpreting him as saying it to me). so i do not think that this reason for ban even really applies to me.
3. harass player after being told to stop -
harass is a hefty word that i simply do not have the time to enact. hand to my heart i do not care about jorah or anything that will ever happen to him in the future. i would pull up screenshots, but i do not have access to the discord. he has said multiple times to multiple different people that i have been trying to use discord to bypass the ignore but to be frank, i have used the discord to talk since i first joined the discord. never once have i checked the discord with the thought "what is jorah saying?" because frankly, the world will still spin, and air is still pumping through my lungs. however he has been persistent with telling people that i am harassing him and that is simply not true. a lot of people will believe what he is saying, because i know a lot of people don't like me on the server (i don't like myself all that much either) and because they have known jorah for a much longer time, and he has spent hella money on the server. i understood this when i argued with him and i understood that things would not be in the favor of me and that some mods (no names doe) were already looking for a reason to ban me. i would not "harass" jorah if i thought that that would give you guys the reason. that is not in my character. i don't like lies being spread about me, genuinely. but he will continue to get away with it because i am not a likeable character for some. doesn't bother me though because it didn't concern me until now.
i am sorry for what i did do, that you guys considered wrong. i still have no bad blood for jorah. he is the bane of my existence but i don't mind him, and i am still willing to forgive him if he is willing to forgive me, too. before he /ignored me he was kinda funny. (don't tell him i said that tho)!!
Why do you want to come back: some people (few), i will miss and i did like playing with my friends. i liked jokin around with juan, and building my smurf village and it was a fun experience. and some staff are pretty cool too. overall it was nice to be able to play at the end of the day, and losing that progress lowkey sucks man. (plus the VIP nyx bought for me RIP!) even though not everyone is my friend i don't hate anyone and i never will.
thanks for hearing me out big dawgs.
Alright. I apologize for the length of this response; we have quite a bit to get through. My responses are going to be color-coordinated for ease of correlation. The color in my response responds accordingly with the color in your appeal. The responses are more or less in order unless a color applies to various parts of your appeal.
That being said,
I have little to say about your first interaction with Jorah, besides telling you that if what he said truly bothered you, it should've been addressed then and there. Staff don't police DM's, so if you have an issue with something that is said in one, it's on you to bring it up to one of us so we can deal with it. If someone doesn't like you, that's between you and them. I can't speak for why he doesn't like you, nor do I need to. At the end of the day, the fact is that Jorah dislikes you for whatever reason it may be that he has, and you need to respect that.
Again, something that should be brought to our attention. Any rudeness you may have witnessed from Jorah is outside the scope of this appeal and is irrelevant.
Correct.
I disagree. What about his statement gives you the impression it was about you? You had said "welcome buddy" and the message from Lester had said "finally | someone recognized my perfect existence." When looking at these two statements alone, which of them could the message "ew" possibly be referring to? The one welcoming a player? Or the one being ecocentric? The entire conversation reads to me like you were looking for reasons to snap at Jorah. That one comment also sparked the entire conversation that ended with your ban from both the server and Discord. Even after that comment, you continued to speak to Jorah:
Not only were you warned to not interact with him since he had you ignored, but you were also openly hostile. Regardless of your previous interactions with him, YOU started this entire conversation. Jorah even asked you again (for the second time) and you responded in a hostile manner:
You only mentioned you were joking AFTER everyone had corrected you. Besides, regardless of how popular of a meme format something you say is, the reality is that not everyone is going to understand it's a meme. The age range of our server population is intense. I've met players as young as 6 here, and players who are well into their 70s. As sad as it is to say, not everyone keeps up with memes, and using them to encourage bannable behavior isn't tolerated.
You got a warning because what you said did not correlate with anything. He didn't get a warning because you were saying things that could get other people in trouble and he was correcting you.
This is something that needs to be addressed. I find it very difficult to understand how you don't think you were harassing Jorah. Not only were you poking him the entirety of the Discord conversation you took screenshots from, but you also found his years-old Twitch AND Discord server linked to it just to start pinging him. In my eyes and the eyes of everyone who reviewed the screenshots, that's harassment. You claim you don't have the time or energy to be harassing someone, but that seems like a pretty targeted activity to me. It was brought to my attention that the Twitch you found was linked to his Discord, but that's still hardly an excuse. If what you're saying is correct, then Jorah /ignored you on October 6th. You joined his Discord on the 13th, well after he ignored you. If you weren't joining to harass him, why?
Before I continue, I wanted to address this. The amount of money someone has spent on the server, regardless of what you may feel, has nothing to do with whether or not they get banned. Nor, by the way, does someone's relationship with staff on the server. I have banned players who have dropped hundreds of dollars on this server, and one of my first bans was my closest friend at the time. I'm not sure where this notion of "Friends with staff = no ban" is coming from but I'm here to dispel it.
I again disagree. The entire argument that the two of you had over Discord was, in fact, started by you.
That message is shortly before this one,
Which then led to the whole back and forth the two of you had. So I'd argue that this reason for your ban DOES apply to you. You even continued to provoke him,
Yes, there were things said on both sides that were inappropriate, but you can't deny the fact that you a) started this entire interaction and b) continued it by poking him. I will not accept the plea of "but he said mean things too!" when you were the one who continued to attack and provoke him. While not right, you can't be shocked that he said something nasty to you back. Throughout the entire interaction, you had people telling you both to chill out and take a step back and yet you refused.
"This dude won't leave me alone" - you started this interaction. It was begun by you. You are the perpetrator of this instance. Throughout the entire Discord conversation, you were claiming that he started it, but as I've said several times already, that just wasn't the case.
Someone even suggested that you stop talking to Jorah, to which you responded "you're not a mediator | you can learn when to not speak," a very ironic statement, and you told them to stop talking. It's time you take your own advice and learn when to hold your tongue, since it's the very reason you've gotten into this much trouble in the first place.
If you want the entire conversation to reference since you can't actively access it, you can find it here: https://imgur.com/a/pcHhkva.
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There are a few things I wanted to address that weren't referenced in your appeal. Firstly, reaching out to other players and encouraging them to do a public demonstration on your behalf is both a gross presumption of how we operate and creates an added nuisance for staff.
You do not need anyone on your side, staff are not looking for a reason to ban you. If we really wanted you gone, there are plenty of rules vague enough that we could have used to justify a ban. Even still, that's not how we work. Staff are not going to like everyone, the same way players aren't going to like all staff. This fact is inevitable, but our team prides itself in not unjustifiably banning others. You were not banned for no reason, and you seem to understand that, so I don't fully understand what makes you feel we were out to get you. Trying to rope others into your mess just makes me suspicious of how you'll change if you get back. It's a super sneaky way of trying to get around a standard process that has been around for as long as this server has (which is more than half your lifetime). It works, and it works for a reason. Of the nearly 2,400 ban appeals on this forums, you'd be hard-pressed to find more than a handful that have bias attached to them.
Next, I want you to know that this ban is not isolated to this instance, at least not in my mind. It was a staff decision to ban you, but since I'm the one responding I'll go with my reasonings for agreeing to your ban. Jorah is not the only person you hassle. You harassed Pnut after I made the mistake of suggesting they were the one who reported you for making a Diddy joke.