10-29-2024, 01:58 AM
Okay, I'm going to broadly address a few things that you said since I feel we're getting off track with this appeal. Instead of getting anywhere, we're just arguing semantics and throwing around thinly veiled insults.
First, I understand your frustration with my sharing a DM that you had, but you're acting as if I spilled your deepest darkest secrets to the world. I shared an isolated instance of you breaking our rules that another player felt needed to be addressed (and was correct in feeling so). It does not matter whether the DM was on the server or over Discord. Personally, I see very little difference. I don't really wish to argue this point anymore. What's done is done, and it's a part of your appeal that does need to be addressed.
Second, pulling up things that happened 11 days before the Jorah stuff in a Jorah-related appeal is related. It is not why you're banned, correct, and I'm not asking you to defend it. The reason I showed all the extra stuff was to make the point that Jorah is not the only player who feels hassled by you. That is all.
Third, to address this point: "6. "if you consider this harassment, then yeah i guess i did it" NEVER said that. if that's what you took from what i said then put your glasses on and read it again. I said i did it. never said "i guess i did it", nor gave the impression that i was shifting blame. I DID IT!!! i never said i didn't. I did say I don't consider it harassment."
Here is a quote from your first reply to me:
"i don't consider this harassment though, but if you do, sure. i did it."
What you say you didn't say is more or less exactly what you said, unless I'm misreading something, or my glasses are just foggy.
Fourth, to address this: "7. "the only right to privacy you have is choosing what you decide to do in writing". that is wrong AF! and i hope that one day someone you trust does your messages how you did mine so you understand how twisted that statement is, because I don't think you have the empathy to do so yourself.
Insulting me not going to get this appeal anywhere. I've made my mistakes in the past, such as the one I made trusting you, and I learn from each mistake. I know who to put my trust in. I know who I can confide in and who's going to share every word I type with them. Perhaps I'm just cynical. I'd also like to reiterate that I shared a very small blurb of a message you sent to another player. I didn't share anything private that was unrelated to this appeal (and the DM is related to this appeal since asking players to create demonstrations on your behalf is blatantly against the rules).
Fifth, and finally: and i will continue to advocate for myself. whether or not you think what i said sounds mean or not, i would rather tell you the truth and speak how i actually feel. i said i was sorry for what i did do, and i owned up for what i did, but you have to understand that however it may come off, i do not believe in letting you disrespect me in the way of pulling absolutely any card in the book to make your point. the dorito dms and pnut situation have nothing to do with my ban appeal, as that is not what i am appealing for. and i did not tell you that dorito talks behind your back to denounce you or dorito, but for you to understand that if he played me, he will play us both. be careful who you keep as company.
You are welcome to advocate for yourself, and I continue to encourage you to do so. I'm not sure I count insulting me as advocating for yourself though. Regardless, contrary to your belief, the Dorito PM is incredibly relevant to your appeal for reasons I already explained, and I expect you to address it in the questions I am about to pose to you. The Pnut situation is also relevant, as that example was used as ways you hassle other players. Whether Dorito will play us both is a concept that does not need to be figured out here and now. He already addressed why he shared that message with me in the screenshot I shared in my previous reply.
(Also, for clarification, I read everything you say in its entirety).
All that being said, I don't wish to engage in semantical discussions about each of the points I just made. If you truly feel strongly about something, you're welcome to reply to it, and I can't stop you, but I'm no longer going to defend myself. We're going to have to agree to disagree on some of the things brought up, but I am not going to accept being villainized for doing what is expected of me.
Instead of leaving it open-ended, I'm going to pose to you a series of questions. You've been putting effort into your responses, which I appreciate, and I'd like to encourage you to put an equal amount of thought and effort into this next response of yours. 1-2 sentences likely won't cut it. After you respond to these questions, this appeal will be forwarded to the rest of the team for discussion and decision.
I apologize for not doing this off the bat, as I'm sure this appeal would've been much more productive if I had done so. 20/20 hindsight I suppose.
1. How do you plan on handling disagreements/conflicts with other players in the future?
2. Why does the /ignore command exist? How should players respond if someone chooses to /ignore them? How did bypassing /ignore in your case affect others?
3. Why is it essential to respect the boundaries other players set, even if you think they're being unfair or sensitive? how would continuing to ignore these boundaries affect other players?
4. If warned again by staff, how will you respond to ensure you avoid falling into this situation again?
5. Why do you think the server has a rule against harassment, and how do you believe breaking this rule could impact the enjoyment of other players on the server? If unbanned, what will you do differently to ensure that your interactions remain within respectful boundaries?
6. Why do we disallow players advocating for other players' unbans?
First, I understand your frustration with my sharing a DM that you had, but you're acting as if I spilled your deepest darkest secrets to the world. I shared an isolated instance of you breaking our rules that another player felt needed to be addressed (and was correct in feeling so). It does not matter whether the DM was on the server or over Discord. Personally, I see very little difference. I don't really wish to argue this point anymore. What's done is done, and it's a part of your appeal that does need to be addressed.
Second, pulling up things that happened 11 days before the Jorah stuff in a Jorah-related appeal is related. It is not why you're banned, correct, and I'm not asking you to defend it. The reason I showed all the extra stuff was to make the point that Jorah is not the only player who feels hassled by you. That is all.
Third, to address this point: "6. "if you consider this harassment, then yeah i guess i did it" NEVER said that. if that's what you took from what i said then put your glasses on and read it again. I said i did it. never said "i guess i did it", nor gave the impression that i was shifting blame. I DID IT!!! i never said i didn't. I did say I don't consider it harassment."
Here is a quote from your first reply to me:
"i don't consider this harassment though, but if you do, sure. i did it."
What you say you didn't say is more or less exactly what you said, unless I'm misreading something, or my glasses are just foggy.
Fourth, to address this: "7. "the only right to privacy you have is choosing what you decide to do in writing". that is wrong AF! and i hope that one day someone you trust does your messages how you did mine so you understand how twisted that statement is, because I don't think you have the empathy to do so yourself.
Insulting me not going to get this appeal anywhere. I've made my mistakes in the past, such as the one I made trusting you, and I learn from each mistake. I know who to put my trust in. I know who I can confide in and who's going to share every word I type with them. Perhaps I'm just cynical. I'd also like to reiterate that I shared a very small blurb of a message you sent to another player. I didn't share anything private that was unrelated to this appeal (and the DM is related to this appeal since asking players to create demonstrations on your behalf is blatantly against the rules).
Fifth, and finally: and i will continue to advocate for myself. whether or not you think what i said sounds mean or not, i would rather tell you the truth and speak how i actually feel. i said i was sorry for what i did do, and i owned up for what i did, but you have to understand that however it may come off, i do not believe in letting you disrespect me in the way of pulling absolutely any card in the book to make your point. the dorito dms and pnut situation have nothing to do with my ban appeal, as that is not what i am appealing for. and i did not tell you that dorito talks behind your back to denounce you or dorito, but for you to understand that if he played me, he will play us both. be careful who you keep as company.
You are welcome to advocate for yourself, and I continue to encourage you to do so. I'm not sure I count insulting me as advocating for yourself though. Regardless, contrary to your belief, the Dorito PM is incredibly relevant to your appeal for reasons I already explained, and I expect you to address it in the questions I am about to pose to you. The Pnut situation is also relevant, as that example was used as ways you hassle other players. Whether Dorito will play us both is a concept that does not need to be figured out here and now. He already addressed why he shared that message with me in the screenshot I shared in my previous reply.
(Also, for clarification, I read everything you say in its entirety).
All that being said, I don't wish to engage in semantical discussions about each of the points I just made. If you truly feel strongly about something, you're welcome to reply to it, and I can't stop you, but I'm no longer going to defend myself. We're going to have to agree to disagree on some of the things brought up, but I am not going to accept being villainized for doing what is expected of me.
Instead of leaving it open-ended, I'm going to pose to you a series of questions. You've been putting effort into your responses, which I appreciate, and I'd like to encourage you to put an equal amount of thought and effort into this next response of yours. 1-2 sentences likely won't cut it. After you respond to these questions, this appeal will be forwarded to the rest of the team for discussion and decision.
I apologize for not doing this off the bat, as I'm sure this appeal would've been much more productive if I had done so. 20/20 hindsight I suppose.
1. How do you plan on handling disagreements/conflicts with other players in the future?
2. Why does the /ignore command exist? How should players respond if someone chooses to /ignore them? How did bypassing /ignore in your case affect others?
3. Why is it essential to respect the boundaries other players set, even if you think they're being unfair or sensitive? how would continuing to ignore these boundaries affect other players?
4. If warned again by staff, how will you respond to ensure you avoid falling into this situation again?
5. Why do you think the server has a rule against harassment, and how do you believe breaking this rule could impact the enjoyment of other players on the server? If unbanned, what will you do differently to ensure that your interactions remain within respectful boundaries?
6. Why do we disallow players advocating for other players' unbans?